Crying it out

clowe77

Registered User
This is question for just the mommies and daddies out there who have used the CIO method...

I am considering using a mild form of CIO (letting him cry but with me in the room patting him every 5-10min) for my 7.5mo old whom i SUSPECT has gotten into the habit of waking up at odd hours in the night crying only for comfort/attention. Problem is, he sometimes has gas and I am not 100% sure he is not waking up due to gas issues. So my question for those parents who have used CIO before is- how did/do you know that your baby isn't crying due to gas pains? I know the textbook signs that I've read about, but in the middle of the night it's so hard to tell, when it's dark and you're groggy, exhausted.

Thanks for any advice.
 
I just tried to get as much gas up as I could prior to bed after milk. Lots of rolling of legs, massaging her tummy etc. At 7.5 months gas wasn't much of a factor for us though. I was worried about teething pain though and gave her a little baby ibuprofen/panadol just to be sure.

It was undeniably pretty traumatic the first night (45 mins of crying before sleeping), but she cried for increasingly reduced periods the next day for all naps and the next night it was only 5 mins. Ultimately it worked like a dream and we now have a champion sleeper (after waking every hour through the night...). It was just that she had to learn the trick of going to sleep herself having been assisted by us for so long.

Do watch out for a little backsliding after 5 days to 1 week, this is really common and you have to ride it out.

CIO is not for everyone, but I would say it was fantastically successful for us and she is a much happier baby for getting uninterrupted nights sleeps and good day time naps.
 
clowe 77, gosh!! i thought i was reading one of my threads i had given earlier/.////got tons of advice on starting the CIO but never had the guts to do so....but guess what....i did it!!! It sounds awful by the name but it is not so and it REALLY WORKS!! 2 days was all it took after seven months of sleepless nights./////sometimes i go to his room and pinch myself to make sure i am not dreaming!! ...... i would loev to help u so pls. PM me if u wish,.
 
Thanks ladies! Did you do CIO 'cold turkey' or a milder form as in leave baby in there crying for 45 min without any patting at all? problem with our baby is that he often gets up and stands in his crib when he cries and i'm so worried he'll fall and hit his head which is why i rush in to soothe him always.
 
Hi, it was a milder form for us. We went in after 2 minutes, then in increments of 5 - 10 mins up to a maximum of 15 minutes (for the length of the 45 mins the first night). The next day you leave it 15 before going in . I did actually pick up her up each time, though you are not really supposed to, more for my own reassurance really

I used this site for advice:
http://www.askbaby.com/Baby-sleep-training.htm

Also, www.babysleepanswers.co.uk which was amazing as an expert 'team' on their forum answer your specific questions straight away. That worked well for me as they are in the UK so up and able to answer during our HK nights. You can buy the book and download the pdf straight away which I've found helpful.

I also took her to the Ped prior to starting to make sure absolutely everything was ok - and warned the neighbors...

Good luck!!!!
 
It worked for my son too who at the time was around 8.5 months. We found that going in every 5 mins was not effective and neither was the touching for once we rubbed his back, my son thought it was playtime. Once we knew that there was nothing wrong with him - was not sick, clean nappy, correct temperature, we let him cry for about 10 mins - 15 mins straight. We would then just go in and peep at him to make sure he was ok then if needed to continue to cry, we let him. He never really cried more than 20 minutes straight.

Things to remember though when doing it:
- make sure there are not other factors effecting his sleep - temperature, cot toys, blankets etc....
- he/she is not sick
- if you also having this problem during the day, that you are being consistent with your behavior during the day and during the night (that was one of our problems).

Hope this helps and keep it at it - don't give up! It will work!!
 
And why noone considers gradual approach? There is a book called "no cry sleep solution" written by a mum...
If CIO "works", it does not mean it is the best method for the child... anyway, you may have guessed I am anti-CIO and trust me, I have exhaustive experience with non-sleeping child. Who is a great sleeper now.
 
So what do you do when I baby stands up? Put him back down or just leave the room and let him get down himself?
 
Elisaveta - specific advice on CIO was requested and given by everyone who replied to this thread. I ended by saying in my first post that it's not for everyone.

There are a great many gradual approaches, not just the Elizabeth Pantley no cry sleep soution (which I have read). The book/download I recommended covers all types of sleep training, gradual, mild forms of CIO, and controlled crying - so you can select the method that is best for you and your child.
 
hi, i did CIO with my elder son at 10mths and am now in the process of CIO with my 6mth old son. i really hate listening to the crying but my 6mth old now sleeps for 12-13hrs and wakes up really really happy so i know he is not being hurt in any way.

Clowe, I always trust my gut. I sit by his door and listen to the crying. A tired cry is very different from an I pooped cry or pain cry (which i more high pitched). If my gut says something is wrong, I will go in. When you say gas pains, do you mean he has a burp stuck? or lower gas pain (how do you know?). The crying itself is hard to listen to - i literally can't do anything (eat, talk, pee) until I know he's sleeping and the crying has stopped. but there are some nights when the cry doesn't sound right and in those cases i will go in right away. you will need a few nights to figure out what cry means what but trust that you will figure it out.

with my elder son, i tried a milder approach where i was in the room with him, but laying down on a mattress and laying him back down every time he stood up but after 2 days and 3hrs of it (starting at 7pm and ending at 10pm) i realized that i was more of a distraction than help. On the third night i decided to leave the room and he fell asleep on his own after 30mins of crying. the following nights, he gradually went down to 10mins of crying (Gina Ford calls it Crying Down - neither of my kids are GF babies but I did read every single sleep solution book out there and tried Baby Whisperer's shush-pat but it didn't work for us), mind you, he Cried Down almost every night for 1mth - a few minutes every night and never over 10mins but there was always crying. After a month, one night when I put him in the crib, he just rolled over and went to sleep and that was the end of the crying (what a relief!!). He is now 22mths and bedtimes are my favourite time of the day. We snuggle and sing a song, I lay him in his bed and he says 'goodnight' and i leave the room.

With #2, the past week has been tough since i am adjusting his bedtime from 9pm to ideally 730 (we are at 830 now). i find if he's over-tired he will cry much longer than if we have a calm day and he's had good naps throughout the day. We had 2 nights where we lay him down awake and he babbled for a bit and then fell asleep without crying but these past few nights we are back to crying on and off for 45mins. We don't go back into the room after we put him down since for us, going in will start the clock back and he will cry an additional 15mins if we go in.

I was one of those people who said i would NEVER CIO...with my elder son, I was alone and pregnant, vomiting while shushing and patting him for up to 2hrs some nights and I couldn't do it anymore. With my 2nd, I have more understanding that it's OK to pick the method that works best for your family/situation. Good luck and hopefully quiet nights are just around the corner!!!
 

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