Uneducated teachers

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It is my personal and professional opinion that anyone who 'teaches' children in Hong Kong should in fact be qualified in teaching and police checked. Why do some countries have rigorous requirements to meet when it comes to teaching and not Hong KOng?
 
"I am really baffled at the number of uneducated teachers in HK. I know, that where I am from, to teach kindergarten, you must at least have a degree in Early Childhood. Here it seems, to me, that anyone who speaks English can teach. I have been a teacher for over 15 years and it always surprises me that here, schools and parents allow un-educated teachers teach their little ones." (Cupcake)

To begin with, even if a teacher does not have a teaching degree, this does not warrant the label 'uneducated'. You could have a Masters in Education but never have set foot inside a classroom. Secondly, I do not know where you are from, but it wasn't until fairly recently (ie. within the last 20 years) that other Western countries required teaching degrees/diplomas for all teaching staff. In the UK and Australia, it wasn't until the early 90's that all secondary staff were held to this standards, and it slowly trickled down as we became more and more aware of the importance of early education.

Hong Kong is not quick to change (skyline notwithstanding) - but the EDB is slowly 'catching up' to the standards held elsewhere. Based on my experience, close to 100% of staff at International schools in HK are registered teachers (for which you MUST have an educational qualification). Local schools are slowly changing - all people wanting to teach in a school must complete a PGCE (or equivalent).

You get entrenched staff anywhere: and you get staff who have great qualifications and zero ability to communicate with students in a classroom.

You have to remember that the kind of staff you are demanding come with a very particular price tag - and many people simply cannot afford to pay it.

I think it's also really important to be clear when you are discussing matters of language and ethnicity and country-of-origin exactly what the context is. Native English speakers do not all speak the same way, nor do they all follow the same rules or grammar. By the same token, there are 'local' graduates teaching English who may have wonderful grammar and syntax.

Education vs Experience is always a tricky one. In my experience, my education did not necessarily prepare me for all the demands of teaching in a classroom - there is certainly something to be said for on-the-job training! I do not know a teacher who does not say that they learned more in their first year of teaching than they did in their teaching degree/diploma.

Perhaps I say this from a teacher's perspective, but most parents I know do not need to ask about qualifications, because they can tell if a teacher is doing their job well or poorly. Benchmarks are great, but not everyone fits the same pigeonhole.

I fully support police checks, and believe me, they are coming. The EBD is just trying to work out how to administer a system where a good proportion of the teaching workforce has spent time in multiple countries/outside of HK. After several high profile cases involving staff at both local and ESF/International schools, it's on their radar.
 
There is certainly something to be said about on the job training- absolutely - but this must be coupled with TEACHING education. From my point of view, at my school, this is not. The problem I see at my school, is that parents DO NOT know if their child is being taught correctly.. That is my point. Parents think that just because their child is coming home happy - that they are being taught correctly! Not so.

(Also, from where I am from it is a requirement to spend a significant amount of time in the class room if they are to attain an MEd).

I am all for police checks
 
Cara - yes, you are taking it to an extreme. We never mentioned parents and sports coaches here. The teaching profession instantly acknowledges parents as the child's first teacher, and then they work as a team!

HappyV - don't know where you're from but speaking for myself - my DipTeach and BEd all required practical classroom experience - graduated 1979. I was practical teaching in my first year of university at 18. Practicums ( in length and expectations) steadily increased throughout my 4 years. UK is very much like Australia. I train teachers now. Many in local schools only have certificates. As I mentioned, lowered tiered international schools ideally would like BEds+ but their pay, demands and style of management are less than acceptable.
As I also mentioned, there is no need for parents to march up to their ESF or top tier international schools tomorrow requesting teachers' credentials. Good schools provide ongoing professional development for teachers and teacher monitoring is effectively implemented.
The use of the word 'uneducated' by the OP was unfortunate.
 
Again I agree with you Elise. When I said 'uneducated', I meant not educated in terms of the teaching profession. Some teachers CAN be very well qualified for example in science, but have NEVER studied how to actually teach.
 
I understand what you are saying with regards to best teachers having high price tags but have you seen the charges at most international kindergartens/primary/secondary schools? The least that the school could provide for all that money is "qualified" teachers.
 
I know - you would think that having the best teachers would be the first thing to be on the budget. But, no. Premisses (looks) would be the first on my school's budget. Teacher's salary comes so far down the line. I should explain that I teach for a very well regarded International School.
 
Elise - I wasn't referring to the standard of training, but that there were not such strict policies on teachers until the end of the 1980s. Where I am from, even government schools did not have 100% 'trained' staff at this time (and from what I understand, it was similar in other countries, especially once you got outside the core academic curriculum).

Cupcakes - no one can teach you how to teach. They can teach you the philosophy, paradigms and practices that underlie teaching, but they cannot tell you how to deal with 30 recalcitrant students in a classroom. That's why I value experience almost as much as the piece of paper. I'd take 20+ years of experience working with children over a piece of paper from a second rate university any day.
 

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