Lai see Etiquette

My huisband is chinese and grew up in Hong Kong, his parents both came from southern China in I think the 1960's. I am canadian and we live in Canada. We will be spending the new year in Hiong Kong this year. The family dynamics are very complicated as my father in law is no longer with my mother in law (who was the second wife but my husband didn't know any of that until he was about 10 or so), and my husband actually has an older brother that he has absolutely nothing to do with as he is the son of the (now deceased) first wife, and he grew up in China but lives in Hong Kong. My mother in law, as far as we know is not in any contact with any of her own siblings, but we are not sure why. My husband is not even sure how many aunts and uncles he has as his paretns are so secretive about everything, and he feels like he should not ask. We only learn of thing when someone happens to mention something.
This is so different from my own family background where both sides of my family take great pride in trying to figure out all they can about people going back generations. Right now in fact, my parents are in England on big geneology search, looking up long lost relatives.

I am really trying to ensure we are keeping up chinese traditions, and not just the english ones, but of course it is harder here. For example. My husband is the only one in his family in Canada, so we have no one to visit at chinese new year. I am thinking that I would like to start a tradition next year of having a Childrens chinese new year party every year for my boys and litlte friends. I think it is great to let traditions evolve as they do. I agree, it is not what the traditions is that is important, but the fact that you have them.

Would you mind to share some of the little rhymes you know? My husband too, seems to not know about a lot of the little kid type of things. He only knows 2 chinese nursery rhymes! Where as I know 100's of english ones. I guess being male he probably never really thought to remember things like that.

In the city I live having mixed race couples is quite common. In the fisrt moms group Ijoined with baby# 1, there were 5 mixed race babies, out of 13 moms, and in the one I am in with baby#2 there are 3, out of 12. That was one thing that really suprised me about Hong Kong. I guess I expected that since it is a MUCH larger city than where I live, there would be lots of people from all over the world, all different races, but there really isn't. Hong Kong definatley has more Chinese people, than Edmonton has white people. When I go to the mall here, I will see LOTS of people from everywhere imaginable. It is quite a lot more ethnically diverse.
 
Sorry, I don't mean too confuse you.
I asked my husband about the lai see etiquette and he said that different families sometimes had different rules about it, because they came from different parts of China.

The one that Sarah mention is usually used in Taiwan.

My husband said that for some in Hong Kong the rules were:
- people who are not married;
usually younger, but some give to older people (not married) but this is by tradition only.
once the younger generations get married, we don't give to them anymore (we give to their children, not married)
- some give to their parents

To play it safe, just follow husband's tradition.
My parents-in-law told my husband about their tradition, then we just follow it.

Sorry again, I don't know much about this subject either.
 
Having read Lynn?s reply I wish to clarify what I wrote earlier.

In my family (husband is a Hong Kong man) there is a difference between the categories of who you give lai see to depending whether they are in your family or out of it.

If giving to relatives then as I wrote earlier I'd give to all in the younger generation, irrespective of whether they are married or not.

If they are not in the family then I'd only give to the unmarried ones.

But I agree with Lynn when she says follow what your mother-in-law tells you to do. You can never go wrong if you do that!

My husband is away in the USA at the moment but when he returns I?ll get him to list out the Chinese New Year sayings.

Best wishes,
SARAH
 
I didn't realize you should give people in service red pockets. Last year I gave them to my day home provider's daughter, but I guess I should have also given them to my provider herself. (they are a chinese family) How much do you usually give? Is it a percentage of the monthly wage, or an extra month? I know it is different as in hong kong most people have live in Nanny's. My day home provider has, in addition to my 2 children, another 2 children she looks after, so she had 4 children in care, and I pay her through an agency. As it is her home, she is the only provider, so not like a day care where there would be many providers your child sees.
 
just a $20 or a $50 would be greatly appreciated, i'm sure...i'm talking cad $$$...if you think that she does exceptional work with your kids andyou can afford it, then $100....DO NOT give $40 (4 sounds like death in chinese)
 
yes, people in service, like the security guard at your building, or even when you're parking around town. helpers, maybe waiters (ONLY familiar ones of restaurants where your family frequents). sometimes in a mean way, we think of it as kind of a 'bribe' for service the rest of the year.. haha.. anyways, but it's also in way for wishing good health and good luck for the new year. so we're all happy giving and receiving, it's really like handing out a wish to people around you.

about how much you pay.. it's not really a percentage, doesn't really have to be whole month of salary, that is qutie a lot. basically, it is just for the gesture, so for service people, very standard are HKD20, for those who are closer HKD100, and e.g. my MIL gives head waiters of the restaurant we always goes to HKD500. and we get great service :p
e.g. we give our helpers HKD100 which is a small percentage of her monthly wage, but they are still thrilled about it. it really is much less about how much in lai see.

i always see them as 'lai see' and not money, the meaning of 'lai see' means everything goes well, good luck, prosperity. so in spirit is not really how much it's inside.

some sayings:
Kung Hei Fat Choy (very common, wishing for prosperity)
Man See Sing Yee (Man See = ten thousand things, Sing Yee=goes as you wish, wishing that every goes according to your wishes)
Sun Tae Kin Hong (Sun Tae = body, Kin Hong = health, wishing you good health)
Lung Ma Ching Shun (Lung = dragon, Ma = horse, Ching Shun = feeling bright, wishing you good spririts and health like a dragon and horse)
Chan Dou D (Chan is make, Dou D is more, basically means wish you makes more money, very useful in a place like HK)
Bo Bo Ko Shing (Bo Bo = steps, Ko Shing = going up, wishing you climb up the ranks, for people who are working)
Hok Yip Chun Bo = (Hok Yip = education/studies, Chun Bo=improve, wish you improve on your studies, for students)
Fa Ko Cheung Dai = (Fa Ko=fast tall, Cheung Dai = grow big, wishing you grow up fast :p sounds weird in English, but for kids)

have lots more but will stop here. i had fun typing them out.. feel free to ask more! :)

Sing Dan Fa Lok (Merry Christmas)
 
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thanks kenlice0311 for reviving this thread. it was great to read as we were just discussing what to do ourselves.
 
if god forbid, there are any deaths in your family (immediate family) then you don't give out lai see at all...you skip all the celebrations.
 

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